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George Monbiot think peopole are astroturfing HIM...

Plenty of people remind him about 'Skeptic Alerts' which do just that to Bishop Hill

George Monbiot:

"These astroturf libertarians are the real threat to internet democracy
As I see in threads on my articles, the online sabotaging of intelligent debate seems organised. We must fight to save this precious gift"

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/libertycentral/2010/dec/13/astroturf-libertarians-internet-democracy?showallcomments=true&msg=a#end-of-comments

http://www.realclimategate.org/2010/12/george-monbiot-complains-about-astroturfing/


I'm banned fom comments at CiF it appears..But a 'luke warmist' got through.......

http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/comment-permalink/8800299
Jane Basingstoke

14 December 2010 10:09AM

George. You are forgetting the power of the internet to amplify, and the success of the lobbyists in recruiting real grass roots support. And there is one issue that particularly affects the Guardian and CiF threads.

Many grass roots sceptics are part of the CCC (Campaign against Climate Change) online army.
http://www.campaigncc.org/node/384

Warmist grass roots openly linking up with comparatively minor establishment figures can look like part of an establishment plot and makes some sceptics very angry. Here’s an angry Jo Nova getting angry sceptics to beat CCC by joining them.
http://joannenova.com.au/2010/04/newsflash-the-fightback-campaign-against-sceptics/

And here’s Andrew Montford and a blisteringly angry Barry Woods
http://bishophill.squarespace.com/blog/2010/4/19/skeptic-alerts.html
http://bishophill.squarespace.com/blog/2010/11/29/cacc-notices-bishop.html

CCC also helpfully provides its online army of angry sceptics with a feed of Guardian articles on climate change. And lots of descriptions of sceptics guaranteed to get them really really angry and keen to post and post and post, including the d-word on many pages.
http://www.campaigncc.org/sceptics

Now I know that many trustees of Lawson’s GWPF are full voting members of the House of Lords. But this does not give warmist politicians such as Caroline Lucas permission to get involved in climate change politics.
http://thegwpf.org/who-we-are/board-of-trustees.html
(Note, trustees using the titles “Lord”, “Baroness”, or “Rt Rev” are all in the Lords)
(Note, Right Reverend Peter Forster is under C for (Bishop of) Chester rather than F for Forster)
http://www.parliament.uk/mps-lords-and-offices/lords/

CCC is a great recruiting sergeant for online sceptics. Given this effect, I’d suspect CCC of being socks themselves, except…
http://www.campaigncc.org/whoweare

Dec 14, 2010 at 12:06 PM | Unregistered CommenterBarry Woods

Oh dear, oh dear oh dear. Richard Black re-hashing this:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/sci_tech/2009/copenhagen/8386319.stm

Dec 11, 2010 at 12:53 PM | Unregistered CommenterDavid Chappell

The ‘Cancun Package’, which the British took a key role in drawing up, suggests that all countries agree to cut emissions as part of a legally binding deal to be drawn up in the future.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/climatechange/8195841/High-hopes-as-world-moves-towards-new-climate-change-deal.html

Success is claimed by Louise Gray.
I would partially agree with her. By the time any legalaties are thrashed out the cold will have well and truly set in. The big downside of Cancun is the increase in the amount of money draining out of the country in aid when our own public services are being slashed.

Haven't seen any headlines about that yet!

Dec 11, 2010 at 10:31 AM | Unregistered CommenterLord Beaverbrook

@Turning Tide

It seems he stayed.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/climatechange/8190330/Chris-Huhne-stays-at-Cancun-key-climate-change-talks-instead-of-flying-home-for-tuition-fees-vote.html

Dec 11, 2010 at 10:21 AM | Unregistered CommenterLord Beaverbrook

http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/12/10/court-rejects-industry-challenge-to-limits-on-smokestack-co2/

American courts back EPA emissions limitations.

Perhaps I am a bit cynical but how far can legislation go. If I were a CEO of a power company and was under pressure from EPA or DECC to stop using coal as a power source I would suggest shutting down the power stations for two days a week to reduce emissions. If that doesn't bring reality in the conversation then I don't know what will!

Dec 11, 2010 at 10:03 AM | Unregistered CommenterLord Beaverbrook

Judith Curry's response to written questions that followed her recent testimony to the U. S. Congress' House Subcommittee on Energy and the Environment are now up on her blog, Climate Etc. judithcurry.com/2010/12/09/testimony-followup-part-ii/#more-1469

She posted the questions and asked readers for their recommendations. Her response reflects many of the comments that were provided. It is an interesting read whether or not you agree with what she had to say.

Dec 10, 2010 at 10:36 PM | Unregistered CommenterRayG

Did no one tell them?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-11952796

Dec 10, 2010 at 4:59 PM | Unregistered CommenterRoss H

Friday Funny,

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a91_1291951906

Dec 10, 2010 at 5:18 AM | Unregistered CommenterJerry

Turning Tide:

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm/cmtoday/cmdebate/19.htm

I don't see the Hoons name there, either for or agin. It's not a definitive list until the Hansard is published at 0600 tomorrow, and it doesn't list the abstentions, but it would indicate that CH was not there.

Dec 9, 2010 at 10:39 PM | Unregistered CommenterCumbrian Lad

Huhne: Did he or didn't he?

Mr Turning Tide was watching Sky News on the telly this evening, which reported that Huhne flew from Cancun to take part in the tuition fees vote, then took a flight back to Cancun, spending a total of 9 hours in the UK.

However, I can't find any mention of this on the Sky News website, and other sources (e.g. The Graun, the beeb) list Huhne among the abstainers, on the grounds that he was in Cancun.

Does anyone have an official source that lists which way MPs voted? - that ought to settle it.

Dec 9, 2010 at 9:12 PM | Unregistered CommenterTurning Tide

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