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@golf charlie, May 27, 2018 at 11:05 PM
Reply to which post?
Pcar
@golf charlie, May 27, 2018 at 8:26 PM
Would it make much difference to the victims if the third trial collapsed before the end of Day 1? The Defendants would love it. Some of the Defendants, Witnesses and Victims may be the same.
Ding, ding. [Redacted] revealed nothing that had not already been reported in local and some national media. What may influence "trial 3" is not [redacted], but Gov't, Judiciary and Police actions.
Trial 3 dropped would suit PTB as they will blame [redacted] and "far-right" and complicit BBC will be joyful. Win-win - RoPs & Gov't protected, "far-right" dangerous.
Pcar
Pcar, he was arrested for "Breach of the Peace". Of note, he was NOT arrested for Contempt of Court.
golf charlie
Pcar, he was arrested for "Breach of the Peace". Of note, he was NOT arrested for Contempt of Court.
golf charlie
May, Rudd, Harperson, Saunders strike again - Jail all men (except RoPs)
...Mr Holden directed his anger at police, claiming they withheld evidence from two witnesses who backed his claim that he was not drunk. He also said:He was forced to obtain a court order to get his own phone records – which showed the two witnesses were telling the truth – and police then 'magically' found transcripts of interviews with them.
Police did not take into account evidence from 20 party guests who said they had not seen or heard anything, despite the woman's claim that Mr Holden was physically pulled off her as someone screamed 'get off or f*** off!'
Mr Holden tracked down all 20 – who then backed his version of events.
Police flew a witness from San Francisco to give evidence of Mr Holden being 'drunk', but in the witness box she said he was only 'tipsy'.
Officers said it was 'not worth' tracking down the alleged victim's old mobile phone which she had used to exchange WhatsApp messages with Mr Holden, who produced the 'mildly flirtatious' messages in court.
Twenty-seven minutes after the alleged 11pm assault, the woman messaged three people – including Mr Beckingham – with a 'crying with laughter' emoji saying she had 'had so much fun'....
May & Saunders damaging UK economy and global status.
Pcar
If filming outside a courtroom is illegal, then why has nobody from the BBC been arrested?
It's not. Filming on Court property without Court permission is illegal.
Tommy near start of video sought & received confirmation from police that he was Not on Court property.
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Pcar
UK foreign aid...
tomo
stewgreen 7:43 pm
You have to wonder how that sort of creepy "reporting" gets through and TR gets scooped up? - the tone of the piece is clearly prejudicial imho - is there a jury? The trial continues it says... So the BBC can present advocacy as some sort of truth while the case is under way.... That piece should've elicited an invitation for a few minutes in the judge's chambers and is beneath contempt from "the best public service broadcaster in the world"
I didn't realise that some of these "grooming" (where did that come from btw?) trials are without a jury ... what is that about?
I see the Cliff Richard business is stalled .... trying to come to an agreement. What a shame that the actual perps - the managers, editors, reporters etcetera aren't contributing to the legal costs personally.
I also see Anjem Chowdury gets out soon - that'll be fun then won't it?
tomo
"Whilst true that the verdict is no in the paper ..does it make so much difference to the next jury ?"
May 27, 2018 at 4:18 PM | stewgreen
Would it make much difference to the victims if the third trial collapsed before the end of Day 1? The Defendants would love it. Some of the Defendants, Witnesses and Victims may be the same.
I have no background info on these trials either.
Until about ten years ago, witnesses and victims in similar instances were never taken seriously by Social Workers, Police, etc, and Defence Barristers would ridicule them out of Court, if they ever got there, with the agreement of Judges, as their lives had invariably been adversely effected, leading to regular appearances in the Dock, not the Witness Box of Courts.
golf charlie
@Golf I told you before
Seems Breach of peace was used as a pretext for arrest, then they seized his phone
However during the arrest one officer seems to say that Tommy is breaking a privacy order
Once they've got his phone they can claim now that they have evidence of law breaking.
I don't think trials get thrown out on the grounds of what Tommy did, it's miles away from other actual prejudicial things
as Ezra pointed out.
Yes I'd picked up from Ezra that Tommy had checked with the police that he was not on court precincts
though him shouting at the allegedly convicted perps is not pretty.
@Mailman I'd seen comments on BBBC and twitter about the solicitor being lied to
then someone posted a Facebook post from Tommy's friend (though I guess that friend then deleted it, maybe cos it would affect an appeal)
Katie Hopkins has also tweeted it..
The news is that the gov blocked the petition.gov.uk petition so far
Petitioning the US president might be more worthwhile.