Thatched panels on a new eco building at UEA,
Fire safety?.

https://www.civictrustawards.org.uk/winners/the-enterprise-centre-at-the-university-of-east-anglia

I would doubt there is any problem. Fire safety for the building was in the hands of Fire Ingenuity, a well respected consultant company.

will we, I wonder - get to find out who the fake claimants are ? - and if they actually exist....

Sep 19, 2017 at 3:04 PM | tomo

If they never existed we will not find out who they never were.

Wasting Police time is a criminal offence. If the delays in confirming the final death toll are partially due to confusion about the number of people alleged to be missing, then the human cost of any attempted fraudulent financial claims, runs into millions.

As and when any of these initial attempted frauds gets to court, we will find out how opportunistic these claims were.

From this website, the terms of reference for the Inquiry

https://www.grenfelltowerinquiry.org.uk/news/prime-minister-announces-inquiry-terms-reference/

Grenfell Tower Inquiry
Terms of Reference
15 August 2017

The Inquiry’s Terms of Reference are:

1. To examine the circumstances surrounding the fire at Grenfell Tower on 14 June 2017, including:

(a) the immediate cause or causes of the fire and the means by which it spread to the whole of the building;

(b) the design and construction of the building and the decisions relating to its modification, refurbishment and management;

(c) the scope and adequacy of building regulations, fire regulations and other legislation, guidance and industry practice relating to the
design, construction, equipping and management of high-rise residential buildings;

(d) whether such regulations, legislation, guidance and industry practice were complied with in the case of Grenfell Tower and the fire safety
measures adopted in relation to it;

(e) the arrangements made by the local authority or other responsible bodies for receiving and acting upon information either obtained from local residents or available from other sources (including information derived from fires in other buildings) relating to the risk of fire at Grenfell Tower, and the action taken in response to such information;

(f) the fire prevention and fire safety measures in place at Grenfell Tower on 14 June 2017;

(g) the response of the London Fire Brigade to the fire; and

(h) the response of central and local government in the days immediately following the fire;

and

2. To report its findings to the Prime Minister as soon as possible and to make recommendations.

Item 1.(h) is the only one concerning events AFTER the fire. I presume the Police and Courts do not need to wait until after the Inquiry, before cases are brought to Court for Fraud in the time after the fire.

The Inquiry has not been asked to consider the number of people who were legally resident in Grenfell Tower at the time, or the number of actual occupants, at the time. It should be possible to conduct some further investigations, about possible fraud in terms of claimed occupancy, without prejudicing the formal Inquiry.

Those Politicians (all Parties) who sought to make Political gains from the fire, will have been told by now, to keep quiet. Some of them wish they had been told that sooner.

Interesting GC.
That the terms of reference use the word "including" does not exclude other germane data?
If, say, <speculation alert> there was overcrowding (due to subletting or otherwise) and this contributed to some attribute of the event. Then surely it would be sensible/permissible to investigate.

colin smith
I ďon't think the number of people in the building when the fire started, was a contributory factor to the fire starting, or why so many were still inside the building, and trapped at upper levels, as it spread.

The Police will know how many people died, and have forensic evidence to match with dental and medical records, but no dental/medical records may exist within the UK for them to match an identity to, in all cases.

If, for example, the Police have 80 human remains to identify, but only 60, or possibly over 100 people reported as missing, you can understand their reluctance to get too specific about numbers and names. Charging eight people with attempted fraud may not relate to eight alleged victims, it could be more, it could be less. But the Police must have had good evidence to arrest and charge.

There may have been scams and fraud going on before the fire involving payments for accommodation. These will be unravelling, however it is understandable that the Police are focusing initially, on identifying the dead. Those attempting a new fraud, or trying to maintain an existing one, will be deliberately hampering Police investigations.

Nov 5, 2017 at 11:17 PM | tomo

It may not be irony or coincidence.

How did it start? Why did it spread and what was it that actually burned? Had the factory been operating at normal capacity?

"Sir Martin Moore-Bick has promised his public inquiry will "get at the truth" of what caused the fire, and Dame Judith Hackitt is conducting a review of building regulations and fire safety."

We know what "caused" the fire.

How did it spread, and why did 71 people fail to get out?

Nov 27, 2017 at 11:46 AM | tomo

Poachers can become good game keepers, but not if they continue as poachers. They will never catch themselves.

I do not know whether foam insulation sold in the UK to meet UK Building Regulations Approval, is an identical product to that sold in the EU, to satisfy identical EU Standards?

Developers/Builders/Designers have regarded "Building Control" as an unnecessary chore. Giving private enterprise the opportunity to offer a cheaper and easier option to achieve compliance was a risk.

I wonder who the EU took advice from, to design the standards and test procedures for diesel emissions?