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Discussion > Do you remember "An Inconvenient Truth"

Mark,

Why tell me to run a Google search rather than doing it yourself and sharing the results you find most compelling? I don't believe Gore, or anyone else anyone made much of a profit out of carbon trading, but do feel free to prove me wrong.

Not a source I would cite in the general run of things, however the Daily Mail tells us:

Former vice president Al Gore had a net worth of about $1.7 million at the turn of the century and 13 years later, his wealth has grown to more than $200 million. 

Driving Gore's massive increase in wealth is the sale of Current TV network, which earned him about $70 million in January, according to a detailed account of Gore's wealth as reported by Bloomberg News. 
Two weeks after the sale of Current, Gore added another quick $30 million to his bank account when he decided to exercise a percentage of his stock options in Apple. 

The rest of the former senator's wealth comes from speaking fees as well as his work for various investment firms and tech companies where he has served in a number of leadership roles.

The linked Bloomberg piece does mention Gore's financial interest in carbon trading:

His Apple board tenure has coincided with a 5,900 percent increase in its stock price. Current TV was a moribund “fixer-upper” when Al Jazeera stepped in to buy it at “a huge valuation,” said Derek Baine, an SNL Kagan cable analyst in Monterey, California.
Gore also had his share of flubs, most of them in his efforts at green-tech investing. An investment firm he helped to start took stakes in two carbon-trading firms that fizzled and also racked up tens of millions in losses in a solar-module maker.

I think we can add 'Gore's hundreds of millions of dollars from climate' to the ever-growing list of Golf Charlie um, exaggerations.

Jul 20, 2016 at 8:27 PM | Unregistered CommenterPhil Clarke

Source:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2320452/Al-Gore-Romney-Rich-grew-net-worth-200m-decade.html

Jul 20, 2016 at 8:28 PM | Unregistered CommenterPhil Clarke

Phil

It's there if you want to find it, or if you want to ignore it. I don't believe in providing link after link after link to sources which can be relied on or dismissed as propaganda as you prefer (which I think is what you do some of the time, though I do find some of your links to be interesting).

I note you have ignored the first numbered point I made in order to concentrate instead on what you presumably perceive as the weaker point 2. I also note no reply to mine timed at 2.28pm today.

Jul 20, 2016 at 9:26 PM | Unregistered CommenterMark Hodgson

Yeah, St, but look at what a wondrous effect we've had from our release of the 'tiniest fraction'.

Phil, Gore: His reputation will be ruined by nature and his finances by stakeholders. I remember in 2008 when Gore bragged that he had raised $300,000,000 to further the alarmist propaganda and when asked the source said it was from 'internet and anonymous donors'. Even Andy Revkin blanched at that.
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Jul 20, 2016 at 9:37 PM | Unregistered Commenterkim

Heh, for as well financed as the Blob is, its advocates are putzes.
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Jul 20, 2016 at 9:39 PM | Unregistered Commenterkim

Mark, rest assured that if the new satellite CO2 data supported the alarm that we would have heard about it in excruciating detail by now. It must be really murderous to the alarmist consensus that it has taken this long for the sought for alarm to be found.
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Jul 20, 2016 at 9:44 PM | Unregistered Commenterkim

Mark re: 'big if' @ 3:26. Gad they need that hockey stick, but it is the shaft they need, not the blade. Hurry up and understand, Phil.

I remember the comment when Gavin gave up Mann's Crook't Stick before 1500AD. I was being selectively moderated by the ass, Keith, but he let a few of mine through. Judy and Steve were on the thread, too, if I recall correctly. Good times, eh?
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Jul 20, 2016 at 9:50 PM | Unregistered Commenterkim

Lest we forget, Obama and/or associates were also involved in getting the carbon trading scheme into Chicago. That was a bath worse than the Olympics, which he also blundered about about in, blowing bubbles and drowning toy reason.
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Jul 20, 2016 at 9:53 PM | Unregistered Commenterkim

Phil Clarke, you and your kind will always be known as Alarmists, because of your exaggerations. The only time you choose to play anything down, is when it is necessary to Deny responsibility for the consequences of false claims and junk science.

If the Greens had not exaggerated, Green Blob cashflow would not be heading for a crisis.

Mark Hodgson 9:26 does make relevant points thatyou choose to ignore

Jul 20, 2016 at 10:02 PM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

Heh, the denying of responsibility is a tell. I'll tell you what.
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Jul 20, 2016 at 10:29 PM | Unregistered Commenterkim

Yep, GoofC., the blob has bubbled malignantly. Far worse than the south sea adventure, which was S. Atlantic, by the way. The consequences will be more profound, too.
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Jul 20, 2016 at 10:33 PM | Unregistered Commenterkim

Heh, the tulip thing was a mere passing virus compared to the malignancy of the deep greens.
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Jul 20, 2016 at 10:35 PM | Unregistered Commenterkim

It's there if you want to find it, or if you want to ignore it.

Curious. I can only conclude that there is no 'there' there.

Jul 20, 2016 at 11:38 PM | Unregistered CommenterPhil Clarke

Mark Hodgeson

Please show links.

One of the perversities of modern search engines is that they know your browsing history and tend to answer searches by giving you what they think you want. Thus similar search requests by yourself and Phil Clarke will produce very different results.

Sites that rank highly on your search results may not appear at all on his, and vica versa.

Jul 21, 2016 at 12:02 AM | Unregistered CommenterEntropic man

Phil Clarke, did you forget Gore's investments in Carbon Trading, and how he sold out before it all went wrong? Did he donate any profits to Green causes?

When it comes to honesty, the Green Blob fail again.

Jul 21, 2016 at 12:10 AM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

Entropic Man

Thank you for your post. It's why I welcome people like you and Phil C here - you challenge my thinking and make me take stock. I've re-visited the sites I glanced at before lazily posting yesterday, and I see they're sources I couldn't link to with much of a straight face - so I won't. On re-reading them, even I doubt them, so thank you again.

Now, will either of you respond to my other points, please?

Jul 21, 2016 at 8:22 AM | Unregistered CommenterMark Hodgson

Phil Clarke, did you forget Gore's investments in Carbon Trading, and how he sold out before it all went wrong?

Its hard to forget something one never knew. Link please, with a straight face.

Jul 21, 2016 at 9:45 AM | Unregistered CommenterPhil Clarke

Response to Mark...

Wow! In NEARLY (how nearly?) 1,400 years? Even assuming that statement is correct (a big if), 1,400 years is the blink of an eye in the life of a planet which is 4.5 billion years old. And yet, on the basis of that, we are expected to spend trillions on destroying our industry, further impoverishing our poor, and relying on unreliable energy production.

Wow! A non-sequiteur, a fallacy and a straw man all in so few words.

Non-sequiteur: I cited PAGES in response to a request to defend the Hockey Stick, they cover similar periods but one is far more up to date. The data is what it is, the further back you go the lower the resolution and the harder it is to validate.

There may well have been periods in the deep past when the planet was warmer, the difference now being the small matter of several billion human beings, our infrastructure, coastal cities, patterns of habitation and agriculture. To quote Hansen:

Civilization developed during a period of unusual climate stability, the Holocene, now almost 12,000 years in duration. That period is about to end.

The fallacy: that AGW is falsified if modern temperatures are not unprecedented. Surely obvious.

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2005/01/what-if-the-hockey-stick-were-wrong/

The Straw Men: that climate policy will destroy industry and implies a reliance on unreliable energy. Every cost-benefit analysis ever published shows that mitigation and adaptation are less costly than doing nothing, the difference being several percentage points of global GDP, and there are ways, if we engage in a little joined-up thinking, of mitigating the intermittency problem in some renewables.

China looks to create $50tn global renewable energy grid

(*) Source of the Hansen quote :

James Hansen et al, 2007. Climate Change and Trace Gases. Philiosophical Transactions of the Royal Society – A. Vol 365, pp 1925-1954. doi: 10.1098/rsta.2007.2052. http://rsta.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/365/1856/1925

Jul 21, 2016 at 11:16 AM | Unregistered CommenterPhil Clarke

Kim (Jul 20, 2016 at 6:00 PM): thank you. But it could also be that the human influence on the rise in CO2 is so slight as to be undetectable in the noise of a natural process. The noise of gunfire can be quite startling, especially if heard close to, and when the surroundings are quiet. Next to an erupting volcano, though…

Jul 21, 2016 at 11:23 AM | Registered CommenterRadical Rodent

"Civilization developed during a period of unusual climate stability, the Holocene, now almost 12,000 years in duration. That period is about to end."
So, an admission that the past period that has allowed humans to develop as we have done was a period of unusual stability. It looks as if that stability is about to end, and the planet revert to its more normal variability… And this is all the fault of humans…?

Jul 21, 2016 at 11:33 AM | Registered CommenterRadical Rodent

Depends what your definition of civilization is. If you equate it with the development of cities, then Jericho stretches back 11,000 years. This is at the end of the Younger Dryas. The transition from this extremely cold stage to the Boreal can hardly be termed a period of climate stability.

I have been shown the ruins of stone buildings and shards of decorated pottery of almost the same date from an offshore island in Abu Dhabi. These imply the development of sea-going transport and trade routes. Civilization?

Hanson and others should aquire a better understanding/knowledge of history.

Jul 21, 2016 at 12:04 PM | Unregistered CommenterSupertroll

You've got it RR. This is why some of us are concerned. From the paper:

The imminent peril is initiation of dynamical and thermodynamical processes on the West Antarctic and Greenland ice sheets that produce a situation out of humanity's control, such that devastating sea-level rise will inevitably occur. Climate forcing of this century under BAU would dwarf natural forcings of the past million years, indeed it would probably exceed climate forcing of the middle Pliocene, when the planet was not more than 2–3°C warmer and sea level 25±10 m higher (Dowsett et al. 1994). The climate sensitivities we have inferred from palaeoclimate data ensure that a BAU GHG emission scenario would produce global warming of several degrees Celsius this century, with amplification at high latitudes.

Jul 21, 2016 at 12:07 PM | Unregistered CommenterPhil Clarke

Great series of posts kim and I particularly liked this one 'Jul 20, 2016 at 5:28 PM | Unregistered Commenterkim' which was packed with common sense info.

Jul 21, 2016 at 12:55 PM | Registered CommenterDung

Depends what your definition of civilization is.

Quite. One thinks of New York, Syndney, Bangladesh, rather than a small collection of huts from the Pre-Pottery Neolithic.

Jul 21, 2016 at 1:05 PM | Unregistered CommenterPhil Clarke

Phil Clarke, for your information and education, about Al Gore, and his money making enterprises:

David Blood is a Co-Founder, Senior Partner, and Managing Partner at Generation Investment Management LLP. He co-founded the firm in 2004. Previously, David Blood served as a Co-Chief Executive Officer, Chief Executive Officer, and Managing Director of Goldman Sachs Asset Management from 1999 to 2003.

David Blood co founded Generation Investment Management with Al Gore in 2004, and the film "An Inconvenient Truth" was released in 2006.

Generation Investment Management played a major role in setting up carbon trading, even involving people like Maurice Strong and Rajendra Pachauri from the UN.

Do you think your Green credentials are blocking your Google Search engine from finding the results you don't want?

Of course Mark Carney (Governor of the Bank of England) may also have a personal incentive for seeing another Goldman Sachs venture doing well.

Lewandowsky could write a conspiracy theory based on facts, if he knew how.

Jul 21, 2016 at 1:34 PM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie